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Subject Agreed - biggest problem with stock is heat dissipation>
     
Posted by AshsZ (Fab Whore, Ph.D) on September 03, 2002 at 12:47 PM
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In Reply To Let me throw my 2 cents at this one posted by Marshall on September 03, 2002 at 12:42 PM
     
Message Its not that they wont stop the car or even lock up the wheels. Its that when you do too much of either, it will overheat and be incapable of both. :-)

: I'll have to say that heat dissipation (and therefore fade resistance) is the #1 benefit you get from big brakes. Things like weight of the brakes, as SpdDemon pointed out, don't mean much when you're dealing with a 3500 lb car. Also, the added leverage from the larger rotors isn't much of an advantage to you because the stock brakes already have enough leverage to overpower the tires' grip and make your car skid. More leverage will make it even easier to go into a skid, but that doesn't help you stop.

: The stock brake systems main weakness is that it cannot dissipate the heat it generates fast enough and the brakes fade.

: My friend used to race his 1988 RX7 and he said his brakes would fade badly on the course. He said he fixed his problem by using higher temp brake pads and higher temp brake fluid. While these 2 things didn't help his brakes dissipate heat any faster, it did enable the brake system to operate effectively at higher temperatures.

: Check out the article I pointed to a while back for more info:

: [ http://www.oregonpca.org/Library/track/brakes.htm ]


: :First off, big brakes. I know that with the big upgrade kits (the real ones, like AP Racing/Stillen, Wilwood, Brembo, HP Racing), you get larger calipers such as 6 or 8 piston, excellent pads, large drilled/slotted/vented rotors, SS lines, and new, better fluid such as Motul 600. On two identical, ABS equipped cars (two Zs for example), one with stock brakes (or even upgraded kits like the $575 kits with stock size rotors, etc), and the other with the big boys, what is the biggest contributing factor in the improvement in braking that you get with the big kits? I know that they provide a larger swept area on the rotor, much better cooling with the rotors, and a greater leverage arm on the rotor due to the increase in rotor diameter. Also, they tend to weigh less, and we all know that reducing your unsprung weight is a big advantage. Is there any one of these factors (or some other factor that I haven't mentioned) that plays the biggest part in the braking improvements, or is it basically an equal contribution from all of these factors?



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